Watch on YouTube
Accepting insurance can help more people access your services, but getting credentialed and managing billing can feel overwhelming. For many private practice owners, large credentialing platforms offer a convenient way to get started. Yet questions about compensation, communication, and autonomy can leave therapists wondering what other options exist.
In episode 210 of the Wise Practice Podcast, Whitney Owens talks with Nicholas Mancini, therapist and co-founder of Collective Counseling Solutions, about the company he helped build to support clinicians. Their conversation explores how insurance credentialing, transparent business practices, and meaningful community can work together.
From Community Mental Health to Private Practice
Nicholas began his career serving marginalized populations in Denver through an AmeriCorps-affiliated volunteer program. That experience sparked his interest in mental health care and advocacy, eventually leading him to graduate school and work in community mental health.
He describes adolescent day treatment as the “team sport of mental health care.” Clinicians worked closely together, supporting young people throughout their day and responding to challenges as a team.
When Nicholas moved into private practice, he gained more control over his schedule and flexibility for his growing family. But the transition also raised questions about access. Moving from a primarily Medicaid caseload to private-pay work made him think carefully about whom he could serve.
He wanted to accept insurance, but getting onto panels proved difficult. A local credentialing and billing company helped him navigate the process—and introduced him to a new possibility for supporting other therapists.
How Collective Counseling Solutions Began
Nicholas connected with Eric, another therapist renting office space from him, who was working with the same credentialing company. Both appreciated how the arrangement helped them serve more clients.
They began helping the company’s owner with benefit verification and credentialing applications. That mentorship gave them practical experience with the business side of insurance.
In 2019, Nicholas and Eric founded Collective Counseling Solutions. They wanted to expand beyond Colorado, work with additional insurers, and create opportunities for therapists to connect.
Their goal included helping clinicians understand the systems their practices depend on. When therapists understand rates, deductibles, and billing processes, they are better equipped to answer clients’ questions and make informed business decisions.
A Clinician-Led Approach to Credentialing
Whitney asks how Collective Counseling Solutions differs from larger platforms such as Alma, Grow, and Headway.
Nicholas explains that he and Eric funded the business themselves. As practicing clinicians, they draw on their own experiences when deciding what services to offer and which problems to address.
He also acknowledges the tradeoffs. Their systems may require a few additional steps, and they may not offer every technology feature available elsewhere. They focus on keeping operations lean, supporting clinicians, and offering competitive compensation.
Nicholas says that, for many major commercial insurers, the collective can match or exceed the compensation offered by some larger platforms. Rates and fit still need to be discussed directly with the company.
Why Personal Support Matters
One of the most meaningful moments in the conversation comes when Nicholas describes learning that a clinician in the collective had died.
He personally called her clients to share the news and followed up when needed. Some clients expressed appreciation for hearing from a person during a difficult and confusing experience.
The story illustrates the responsibility that comes with providing a relational service. Efficient systems matter, but so does having someone available when a situation requires care, judgment, and a conversation.
For solo practitioners, that support can be especially valuable. A professional community can provide help when insurance problems, unexpected circumstances, or difficult administrative questions arise.
Transparency Helps Therapists Make Informed Choices
Nicholas compares the collective’s onboarding process to informed consent in therapy. Before entering a working relationship, clinicians should understand the processes, expectations, and compensation involved.
Collective Counseling Solutions shares information about its rates and procedures so therapists can consider whether the arrangement fits their practice.
For practice owners exploring credentialing support, the conversation raises useful questions:
- Do I understand how I will be paid?
- Can I get help from someone when a complicated issue comes up?
- How much administrative work will remain my responsibility?
- Does this arrangement support the way I want to run my practice?
Nicholas Mancini, Co-Founder & CEO, LMFT, LPC
Therapist, Entrepreneur, and Idealist Supporter, Nicholas Mancini is on a journey to align his mission, vision, and values with opportunities to serve others.
He is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Licensed Professional Counselor in Denver, CO. In 2019 he co-founded Collective Counseling Solutions (CCS), a national collective of therapists dedicated to increasing access to mental healthcare through their insurance benefits. CCS is striving to disrupt the industry by being clinician and client-centric.
Nicholas Mancini’s Resources
Links and Resources
Learn More about Wise Practice Consulting
Connect with Wise Practice on Instagram
Connect with Whitney Owens on Facebook
-
[00:00:00] Whitney Owens: Building a thriving faith-based private practice isn't easy. It takes courage, wisdom, and commitment to lead your business without compromising your faith and values. I'm Whitney Owens, the owner of a seven-figure multi-location group practice and founder of Wise Practice Consulting. Every week on the podcast, I share real strategies, lessons, and conversations that come from actively leading my own practice, helping practice owners across the country do the same.
Whether you're building a solo practice or growing a team, this podcast is here to equip you, empower you, and remind you, I believe in what God's called you to. You don't have to do it alone. Welcome to the Wise Practice podcast. Let's get started. Hey, hey. Welcome back to the podcast. Whitney Owens here.
Glad that you're with me. This is episode 210. What? All right, I've got Nicholas Mancelli with me today. So I met this guy on Zoom, and I was like, "You have got to come on my podcast," because the way that he's doing credentialing and community for therapists is pretty incredible. So many of us are using these other platforms like Alma and Grow and Headway, and yes, they do provide you something valuable, especially if you need to be able to use insurance in your business, but there's so many negatives that come with that, right?
Where they're controlling things, and they're taking more profit, and we have these venture capital companies, and it's just becoming yucky, right? And so as I'm talking to Nick, he starts telling me about the work that he is doing, and he's kind of getting rid of that third party and making it a company that's owned by therapists, that's credentialing, and that's a collective, and it is really cool.
And therapists, a lot of times, are not only making more money, but the company that he's running is taking less of a cut than what a lot of others are doing, so everyone is benefiting from the experience. And the other part is it's not just about that. Nick is all about creating an authentic community, and you can experience that just through meeting him on Zoom and through this show.
And so make sure you listen to the full episode. He has a really cool, um, company that allows you to get credentialed but also to make more money, and it's nationwide, and it's pretty incredible. So I'm looking forward to giving you an alternative to using these third parties in your private practice.
And if you're a solo practice owner, it's a place for you to get the credentialing within the context of community. It's pretty cool. So looking forward to introducing you to Nick
Welcome back to the Wise Practice Podcast. I am looking forward to you meeting Nick Massimi, who is a therapist, entrepreneur, and idealist supporter. He's on a journey to align his mission, vision, and values with opportunities to serve others. Licensed marriage and family therapist and LPC in Denver, Colorado.
In 2019, he founded the Collective Counseling Solutions, a national collective of therapists dedicated to increasing access to mental health care through their insurance benefits. They are striving to disrupt the industry by being clinician and client-centric. Thank you for coming on the show today.
[00:03:11] Nicholas Mancini: Whitney, thank you for the invitation. I'm excited to chat with you.
[00:03:15] Whitney Owens: Yeah, yeah. I'm excited to, like, get in it today and talk to you about your story because when we met a few weeks ago, you told me your story and I was like, "You gotta come on the podcast." So, so Nick, let's, let's go all the way back to just becoming a therapist and take us on the journey with, you know, with you.
[00:03:35] Nicholas Mancini: Sure. Tha- thanks. So I, uh, I grew up in Oh- Ohio and after undergrad I did a, a volunteer program that is an AmeriCorps affiliated program specifically in Denver, Colorado, and that was my first exposure to working with marginalized populations that needed a lot of care and support and, and really needed more voices to advocate to, for their needs.
And so that really sparked my interest in getting more into a, a service-oriented field and, and for me, the, the hearing of- people's stories and the clinical mental health component of that was a, a huge draw and really intriguing.
[00:04:21] Whitney Owens: Yeah.
[00:04:21] Nicholas Mancini: And so, so that kicked it off in, in Denver, Colorado, and, and so it led me to pursue my master's degree, and then from there I worked in, in community mental health and adolescent day treatment, which to me, I, I call that the team sport of mental health care because-
there's no youth services. There, you know, we're eating lunch, we're in the classrooms. Sometimes we're chasing them down the road if, you know, something, you know, really, really triggered them or whatever it might be. And just it was a great learning environment. I had a great team to work together and really understand some of the systemic needs that people need when they're working to, to get healthy mentally, physically, emotionally.
[00:05:07] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Now, I like talking about this too because I lived in Colorado. I think I briefly told you that. So, um, where did you work? I'm just curious.
[00:05:15] Nicholas Mancini: So I worked for the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless.
[00:05:18] Whitney Owens: Yeah.
[00:05:19] Nicholas Mancini: And so I, I d- I was a case manager there-
[00:05:21] Whitney Owens: Uh-huh ...
[00:05:21] Nicholas Mancini: in their housing department when, uh, whi- while I was in graduate school, and then I worked for Aurora Mental Health Center.
It was a- Mm-hmm ... Hampden Academy was the, the adolescent day treatment program.
[00:05:33] Whitney Owens: Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah. And I, I did inpatient work in Colorado. It was- Great ... gosh, I can't remember the years of that, but yeah, that's, that's something. All right. So you were doing that, and then you went into private practice?
[00:05:45] Nicholas Mancini: And then I went into private practice.
My wife and I, my wife's an LCSW, and we, you know, we had gotten married and were wanting to have kids. And it was right before my second kid was born that just our lifestyle, our family was growing, lifestyle was chan- changing, and needed a little, needed to mix it up a little bit. And I think I, I wanted to have a little bit more autonomy and control over my schedule, and so I moved into private practice, and it was a markedly different experience than adolescent day treatment.
I, I remember the first week moving into private practice, my wife asked, like, "How did it go?" And I was like, "I, well, I got all my notes done. It was really quiet, and you know, nobody cussed me out. No one slammed doors, walked out of, out of the office." "No one threatened to, to, you know, me to say like, 'Hey, I'm, I'm doing something wrong.'
And so I'm actually, I'm not even sure if I did my job well this week or not because I, I didn't get any feedback that I'm used to."
[00:06:49] Whitney Owens: That's right. That's right. I had a instructor one time that said, "You know you're doing good work with your clients if they either love you or hate you." So yeah.
[00:06:59] Nicholas Mancini: Yes.
[00:06:59] Whitney Owens: Yeah.
[00:07:00] Nicholas Mancini: Yeah.
[00:07:02] Whitney Owens: So then you con- you, you continued with, you were working at another private practice, is that right?
[00:07:08] Nicholas Mancini: So I, I started private practice, and I think the shift for me that was also something that I was just negotiating and trying to figure out as I, I made that transition was going from a, a caseload that was primary Medicaid to then private pay.
And for me, like the, the value of access to care and being able to support people who are in need at various levels was something that had ... It, it was real- really becoming highlighted as I made this tr- transition from community mental health to private practice. And so I actually got connected to a, a local company here in Denver that helped with my credentialing and billing-
[00:07:50] Whitney Owens: Uh-huh
[00:07:50] Nicholas Mancini: because I was struggling to get on insurance panels myself. I, I was getting messages that the panels were closed. And it, it was just a, a whole new world that I, I didn't have a lot of education about. There wasn't much guidance. And so I got connected to them just so I could begin to take insurance as well, and this was in 20- 2016.
And so, so that was for me like a, a really helpful m- connection and partnership that I made because it, it really helped kick off this learning of like navigating the insurance world and what that looks like, uh, while also being able to really expand my caseload offerings to so many more people from s- a varying level of demographics
[00:08:41] Whitney Owens: Yeah.
So what ended up happening after that?
[00:08:44] Nicholas Mancini: So I'm a pretty extroverted person and, and I... when I rented my office space, I actually rented three offic- offices because, again, I came from this team sport- Yeah ... this adolescent day treatment program and I was like, "I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna want to have some other people around me."
And so I, I was really fortunate. I got connected to Eric, who's an LPC, LPC in Denver, and he was renting space from me, and, and we started to get to know each other, and he was also contracting through this company for insurance. And so we were talking about how valuable this has been an exper- of an experience this has been for us because it, it just opened up our practices and, and so mu- so much more that we were able to, like, provide for- Yeah
people seeking therapy. And so he and I approached the, the owner at the time of, of the company that had helped us and we're like, "Hey, do you need some help with some insurance credentialing, the benefit verification? Like, we'd love to learn more." And so he became a mentor for us, really helping us understand some of the ins and outs.
We helped with benefit verification. We helped fill out some of the credentialing applications and really were hoping to help him grow his business and, and really help other clinicians in private practice be able to offer insurance acceptance in their practices. And so just I think the way that things- Turned out the, the, our mentor eventually was like, "Hey, you know, like you guys have some of these ideas.
I'm good wh- where I'm at. You should go do your own thing." And so that's when Eric and I created Collective Counseling Solutions in, in 2019, where again, we ... It was modeled off of a, a similar company, but wanting to do insurance credentialing and billing for clinicians in private practice, and do it from a place of transparency and empowerment so that it becomes part of their understanding of what it looks like to run a private practice, how to navigate these things.
Because I think being clinicians ourselves, we found it really helpful to go through some of this process of learning because then when I meet with clients and they're like, "I don't know what I owe," I can help them understand how to navigate some of these systems. And, and I think sometimes a lot of our, a lot of the healthcare that we provide people is simply learning how to navigate the healthcare system.
That's like step one of being able to receive care. And so we, we really came from this place of being clinician and client-centric in how we make decisions around the, the business that we are, we are building to support them.
[00:11:38] Whitney Owens: Yeah. So to recap, it sounds like you had this great relationship with this credentialer And then he was kinda doing his own thing, and he was blessing y'all 'cause y'all kinda had a different idea, if I understand that correctly.
[00:11:51] Nicholas Mancini: Yeah, I th- we, we wanted to expand outside of Colorado, and we wanted to work- Uh-huh ... with more insurances. At the time, he was really focused on one primary insurance company-
[00:12:01] Whitney Owens: Uh-huh ...
[00:12:01] Nicholas Mancini: in the Denver metro area. And we just saw that there was a need for this. And also, there was a need for community, for people to be able to come and connect with each other and get some of that support clinically and from a, a business sense.
[00:12:16] Whitney Owens: Ah. So, so we're kind of tackling two different topics here. It's the idea of how do I ethically and appropriately get credentialed and serve clients? But then also, how do I get the support and understanding that I need with insurance, like understanding insurance and how it works and having others do it with me?
[00:12:34] Nicholas Mancini: Yes. That is one of w- that's probably our primary mission-
[00:12:39] Whitney Owens: Yeah ... in a little bit. Yeah, so I'm gonna guess people that are listening are thinking, "Okay, that's a little bit like Alma, Grow, Headway," right? 'Cause they kinda have these c- corporations and, you know, people have all their opinions about those things.
I don't like them, and I haven't for a while. So that is like part of why your story was so powerful to me. So I would love to really like dive into kinda this idea of how you are uniquely different than these corporations out there that everyone else has heard of.
[00:13:15] Nicholas Mancini: Yeah. I, I, I appreciate your, your candidness around how you feel about some of those.
I, I share similar feelings. I have a lot of mixed, mixed feelings around a lot of these companies that have existed. And so for us, when I, we were first getting started, there, I wasn't aware of a lot of these companies. And then I think- Sure ... with COVID, that really changed the mental health landscape, where more of these companies started popping up, and there was more money and more attention around behavioral health.
And so many of those companies, from my understanding, have sought out venture capital, private equity. They've also introduced more tech-forward approaches to mental health. And again, I think what has been really helpful for those companies is that it's put behavioral health more on the map. Yeah. It's started to raise the levels of awareness around the need for behavioral health, and additionally, there's just like it's a double-edged sword too because then it's, it's like, well, who do they serve?
And I think sometimes th- with- when they have that relationship with the investors and stuff like that, it's, it can get really muddy. Who, if they're serving the investors, they're inser- they're serving the clients, the clinicians. It's- Totally ... it's hard to do all of that at the same time, and it's certainly hard to do all of that equitably.
And so- Yeah ... I think one of the, the differences is that Eric and I started this just on our own- Dime. We bootstrapped it and from the very beginning really set a, a, a value of how do we make sure that we run a business that's really lean and efficient while also really supportive and maximizing how much we can support, pay clinicians that are responsible for our business even existing, you know?
And, and again, I think all of that from our perspective trickles down to more quality care for the clients.
[00:15:14] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Yeah. I sensed that from you the first time we ever talked. There's just this authenticity and desire to just really help therapists. And unfortunately, when you have these other companies coming around and they're big and they're not even therapists, they become money-centric.
Yeah. And really the clients suffer in ways, things that don't get covered or things they w- needed, and then we suffer as therapists 'cause we don't get paid what we need to, or they change the rules and tell us two weeks beforehand, you know? And so you're able to provide something different being a therapist in charge.
[00:15:49] Nicholas Mancini: Here's an example that happened just recently, and I don't, I don't know- Yeah ... if this happened when we spoke last. I got a call from a clinician who said, "Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I'm the medical power of attorney for a clinician in your collective, and she passed away yesterday." And I was like, "Oh, I'm so glad that you called.
Like, thank you for letting me know." And, and she said, "I'm calling because I know that, I think she just started working with you, and I think she might have some clients. I don't know what your policy or, or procedures are for managing something like that. I just wanted you to be aware." And I said, "S- I'm so glad that you called.
Thank you for calling me." A- and, and I don't know what our policies and procedures are. We've- ... we've, we've theoretically talked about all of these things even from graduate school about what happens in these circumstances, but this was the first time that it happened in our collective. And I just, I said to her, I said, "Well, hey, you know, I can pull up her caseload.
I'll just make some phone calls to all of them. I'll reach out, and if I don't get a c- if I don't hear from them, then I'll, I'll shoot them an email as well." And make sure that everybody's aware. Thank you so much." And she said, "I really appreciate that approach, and I appreciate your responsiveness to this," because I knew that she was on a couple other platforms, and I reached out.
I couldn't get ahold of a person. Oh. I just sent... I had to send an email or a help desk ticket, and the response was, "Thank you for letting us know. We will email the clients." And then as a... And so then the next day I started calling her clients, and some of her clients, I think, were, had been on previous platforms before.
And, or because they were on a previous platform, they were like, "Yeah, I just got an email, and I didn't even know if it was real or not. I didn't know what happened." That's right.
[00:17:46] Whitney Owens: Aw.
[00:17:46] Nicholas Mancini: And, and so the, the clients were just like, "Thank you for calling." And I think that's- That's the part of, I think, the, the mission and the values that really drives all of our team members is how can we maintain humanity in such a relational service and that we provide?
And I, and I think that's something that is a really chall- is, is a real challenge to navigate because clinicians want services that are efficient, that work, that are, that help them do their job easier. But then they also want some of this personal touch, and so I think we're just constantly trying to thread the needle of managing that.
And, and to me, I think that's, from my experience, what would be one of the, the main differences of what we're trying to build versus maybe some of these larger companies.
[00:18:40] Whitney Owens: Well, I'm sorry that situation even happened.
[00:18:43] Nicholas Mancini: It was like an em- it was a really emotional experience. And honestly, I, I like walked away and I was, I was like really touched by it.
Sure. Because one thing that I also, uh, get really passionate about is just advocating for clinicians, and to hear the client say, "Oh, I- you've lost a really, a really quality clinician." Mm. Like, she was really meaningful and she did a really good job. Well- And I just walked away reflecting how often or not so often do, as clinicians, do we, do we get that feedback?
Do we get to actually see or hear how we have touched someone's lives for the better and how they, in working with a clinician, have improved their lives? And- Yeah ... so it was this really sad yet really beautiful experience- It was ... to talk with them.
[00:19:37] Whitney Owens: Yeah. And it shows the importance of the community that you created.
Like when you're in solo practice, you don't have other therapists in the same sense. So like 'cause I'm sitting here thinking, well, if someone in my group practice were to pass away, we would handle it, but in a situation like you're in, there's no one
[00:19:55] Nicholas Mancini: necessarily. Right. And like, a- and there's n- you know, it's, it's hard because then it's like there's other clients and this and like how you have to make time to be able to make these phone calls or do some of this extra stuff, you know, outside of like your normal business hours.
And so I think for us, that's been something that we've really thought about as we've grown is how can we support clinicians with some of these relational components too where maybe- Yep ... they're having, uh, they're, they're having a challenging experience navigating a client and their insurance and denials or something like that.
Can we step in and be relational, understand what that, that relationship is like already because majority of our staff are clinicians that are practicing, and be able to navigate that and help, help the clinician so that they're not just feeling all alone trying to, you know-
[00:20:49] Whitney Owens: To
[00:20:49] Nicholas Mancini: figure out what number to press after the auto, you know, reply- Yeah
on the phone for whatever company they're calling.
[00:20:57] Whitney Owens: Yeah, yeah. Could you share a little bit more about the details about, especially the pay st- the pay structure for therapists and the percentage that you take? 'Cause I remember hearing that and being like, wow. So can you share a little bit about that for someone who might be interested in how do I kinda get credentialed with you guys, and what does that look like?
[00:21:14] Nicholas Mancini: Sure. So- What we've, we've done there is we, we try to... We have one really good insurance company that we work with in, in Colorado that has a solid contract, and that helps us with a lot of our operations. And so the fortunate thing is that allows us to, to really be generous around some of the national contracts we have with United, Cigna, Blue Cross Blue Shield.
And so we've, we've tried to, again, be really conservative and lean with how we manage our budget. And also, as a clinician, like I've, I've talked to these other platforms and I know how much they pay and how much they don't pay and, and I'm, I'm really proud to say that we, on many of the major commercial insurers, we're able to match or pay more than some of those companies.
And, and I think a lot of that is a huge shout-out to our team for being really hard workers and being really efficient, and also the clinicians that work with us understand that, yeah, maybe we don't have special bells and whistles around our platforms or things like that. It may take a couple extra steps for them to do something as far as like submitting claims or seeing clients.
However, in return they get as, you know, a, a solid pay. And so, you know, we, we try to be really transparent too, because it's like here's our contract rates so that you know what to collect as far as a co-pay and deductible. And, and if clients are asking, the clinicians are informed as well. And, and so I, I think so much of what we do is just being really proactive with our communication so that people are informed.
Just like, you know, s- the, it's, it really models the therapeutic relationship. When you start meeting a new client and you're doing an intake, there's informed consent documents that you go through and you share all that. I think similarly, when, when people are working with us or want to work with us, we want them to be informed about all of our processes, how we do things, here's our rates that we pay you, and let us know if that's a good fit for where your practice is and where you want your practice to grow.
[00:23:26] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Oh, I love it. All right, so let's say somebody's listening and they're interested, like how can they get more involved in the collective and what would that look like?
[00:23:34] Nicholas Mancini: Uh, so visiting our website, www.collectivecounselingsolutions.com. I know it's a mouthful. I didn't really think that one through when we created the company.
And so they can visit our website. We have, a couple of times a month we have info calls where we jump on a Zoom call and go through all of our processes on a high level and then if they're interested, they can fill out a, a, a provider intake form that shares that, that, you know, shares some information that helps us with like the next steps around credentialing and, and what that looks like for billing and stuff like that.
Uh, currently our Uh, we provide everybody a free simple practice account. That's what we use to help manage claims and track our reporting. And there's limitations to what, what clinicians can access on that account. However, if it's a way for them to save 100 bucks or so a month, they're welcome to also have their private pay clients on that platform, and they could use that as their main EHR if they wanted to.
So we're, we try to get creative around different perks and, and ways to support clinicians as they're just getting started or maybe they're trying to make a shift in how they've historically ran their practice.
[00:24:53] Whitney Owens: Yeah.
[00:24:54] Nicholas Mancini: Uh, but we go through that. I'll through, I'll through all that stuff on the info call.
And then I usually just give people my cell phone number too. I'm a chatty person, as you can tell, and, and I, I love just jumping on a phone call, jumping on a Zoom call, or if even if they're local, let's meet in person. Because again, I think it's, it's really important to maintain that hu- human connection, especially with so much stuff happening around with the tech and AI stuff nowadays.
[00:25:25] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Yeah. The personal touch goes far. I really appreciate you coming on the show and talking about the work you're doing. I think it's a great alternative for people who are wanting to get credentialed, not can't do it themselves, not wanting to go through one of these venture capital companies. Like, you give the authentic touch and you, you're a therapist.
You're doing it, you're doing private practice, and you're doing credentialing for therapists, and they're ... I think that speaks volumes.
[00:25:51] Nicholas Mancini: Oh, thank you. Yes. I, you know, I think often I'm like, well, I wouldn't create something that I wouldn't sign up for myself, you know? And so it's like a lot of, a lot of our decisions, you know, usually come from, like, things that are frustrating me with my own practice and my own navigation of insurance and working with clients and stuff.
I'm like, "Well, how can we... Is this something that could be universally, uh, accepted or helpful to other clinicians?" And so it's just, it's what's been really fun is that there have been other clinicians in our collective who've asked to help out, and then we've been able to bring them on board. And the creation, the collaborative creation has been one of the most fun parts of where we're at today because I, there's a lot of energy and there's a lot of really awesome work that clinicians are doing, and sometimes they don't have that platform or their voices get lost in the mix because some of these other entities take up a lot of space.
And so if we're able to help elevate that and really provide a grassroots experience that aligns with their values and, and their communities and how they wanna serve the people that they're working with, that's the, the blessing that we're thankful for each day.
[00:27:09] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Well, Nick, thank you for taking the time to share this with us, and, uh, look forward to getting the word out to therapists and hopefully our paths will cross again in the future.
[00:27:18] Nicholas Mancini: Yes, and thank you for what you're creating as well. I think, uh, again, the work that you're doing to also support clinicians is really awesome, and I just appreciate how inviting and supportive you've been.
[00:27:31] Whitney Owens: Oh, thank you. Well, I appreciate it.
[00:27:33] Nicholas Mancini: Thanks.
[00:27:35] Whitney Owens: The Wise Practice podcast is part of the Psychcraft Podcast Network, a collaboration of independent podcasters focused on helping people live more meaningful and productive lives.
To learn more about the other amazing podcasts in the network, head on over to psychcraftnetwork.com. The Wise Practice podcast represents the opinions of Whitney Owens and her guests. This podcast is for educational purposes only, and the content should not be taken as legal advice. If you have legal questions, please consult an attorney.
