WP116 | How to Juggle Motherhood and Managing a Private Practice - Live Consulting with Jaclyn Bailes
Today, we’re diving into one of the most relatable yet challenging topics for practice owners: balancing parenthood—especially motherhood—with the demands of running and growing a private practice. Whether you're a solo practice owner dreaming of a full caseload or someone contemplating the leap into group practice ownership, this episode has something for you.
Joining me is my dear friend and powerhouse entrepreneur, Jaclyn Bailes. She has gone from starting her solo practice to preparing for a group practice launch in 2025, all while navigating the joys and struggles of motherhood. Her mission to provide counseling to underserved communities is at the heart of everything she does.
What makes this episode special is Jaclyn’s incredible story of faith, grit, and determination. From taking a bold leap of faith to join a mastermind group, to building a thriving private practice, and now planning her group practice, Jacqueline’s journey is proof that with hard work, passion, and trust in God’s plan, you can achieve your big dreams too.
Finding Peace in the Chaos: Balancing Life, Business, and Faith
Whitney shares her journey toward balancing life and business, emphasizing that achieving a "perfect balance" is unrealistic and often leads to frustration. Instead, she encourages a mindset shift: letting go of perfection and embracing different seasons where one area, like business or personal life, may require more attention.
She integrates her faith, highlighting the importance of seeking God’s guidance, prayer, and listening to the Holy Spirit to discern whether actions stem from divine calling or personal ambition. Whitney believes that when we follow God’s lead, the tasks can energize rather than exhaust us.
She offers practical tips for managing the personal-business balance, including seeking support from trusted individuals, delegating tasks, and hiring help, such as house cleaners or nannies. Whitney uses her own experience to illustrate this—starting with a cleaner for her office, which eventually evolved into a larger role within her practice.
Whitney reframes delegation as a way to enhance both personal and professional happiness, reminding parents that outsourcing tasks is not about failing but about prioritizing what’s best for everyone, including their children.
Embracing Seasons: Balancing Faith, Family, and Business with Grace
Whitney shares her thoughtful approach to navigating life’s demands while staying aligned with her faith, personal goals, and the needs of her family. She emphasizes the importance of discernment—paying attention to what God has called her to do and recognizing when pride or self-imposed pressure may interfere. She advises journaling to remember moments of clarity and listening to trusted people who can reflect God’s kindness and provide perspective.
Whitney acknowledges that life and business balance evolve over time, shaped by changing seasons, family needs, and personal growth. She highlights the value of flexibility, noting that rigid boundaries can sometimes lead to resentment. For instance, she shares how Sunday mornings work well for her as a productive time, even though it may not fit traditional expectations.
She also discusses her unique challenges as the mother of an autistic child, balancing her role as a business owner with her responsibilities as a parent. Whitney has found a rhythm that allows her to be present for her children, even if it means structuring her workday differently or working from home. Her approach underscores the importance of tailoring one’s schedule to what works best for their life phase while granting oneself grace when perfection isn’t achievable.
Ultimately, she encourages others to evaluate their commitments, embrace what works for them (whether structured or flexible), and let go of guilt when delegating tasks or making unconventional choices to prioritize their well-being and family life.
Prioritizing Balance: Aligning Business Decisions with Life and Well-Being
Whitney highlights the importance of aligning business decisions with personal well-being and life circumstances. She addresses the hesitation many therapists feel about raising their rates, noting that while it might seem selfish, it actually benefits both the therapist and their clients. By increasing rates, therapists can reduce their workload, avoid burnout, and provide better care to clients.
She also acknowledges the need to set boundaries, such as deciding not to work Saturdays, especially if it conflicts with family time. However, Whitney emphasizes that these decisions are personal and situational. For example, she shares the story of a therapist who willingly works Saturdays because it aligns with his schedule and family dynamic.
Whitney encourages embracing flexibility, recognizing life phases, and making thoughtful choices that prioritize both professional sustainability and personal fulfillment.
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[00:01:34] Jingle: where she grows your practice. She don't play. She does business with a twist of faith. It's Whitney Owens and the wise practice podcast, Whitney Owens and wise practice podcast.
[00:01:52] Whitney Owens: Hello and welcome back to the wise practice podcast.
So glad that you're here with me today. We're going to be talking about. The juggles of being a parent, specifically being a mother, but lots of us can learn any kind of parent that we are, and also run out of practice. It is always a challenge, and we kind of talk about that here in the episode. I interviewed Jacqueline Bales, who's a member of the Last Practice membership community, what what.
And also just someone I dearly care for. Jacqueline is she's special. I love her. And when we were, let's see, when I was running a mastermind group, about a year ago, she signed up on a will. I had not ever gotten on a call with her. Didn't really know her. And she had the boldness to just make the payment and say, I'm doing this thing.
So back then she had just started her private practice, had a couple handful of clients maybe, and was looking to get to full time. Within six months, she had a full private practice. She killed it in the mastermind group. So it was a group that we do for solo practice owners wanting to go from a handful of clients to a full caseload in six months.
And she definitely did that. And then that group ended last summer. And then she came out to the. Last October in Charlotte and got to meet her finally in person. And then right after that, she signed up for some individual consulting to start a group practice. So that was in November that she started doing some individual consulting and I'm recording this, the end of December, this introduction, and y'all, she already has a therapist who's already seeing clients.
So really within two weeks, She has a group practice. Not every story is like that, but Jacqueline works super hard and super dedicated and wants to do God's work in the world. And I'm so stinking proud of her. And she wouldn't say all the things that I just said, but I have to dote on her before the episode goes, because I'm really, I'm really stinking proud of her.
So I say all this to say. Is Jacqueline special, even though I did say she was special, but is she special in a way that's different than everybody else? I mean, yeah, she works hard and she's passionate, but so are you. You've got big dreams too, and you can do it. And I share her story with you to bring you some encouragement, to bring you some comfort, and potentially to spur you on to do good things, because she did it and you can too.
So if you're sitting there listening and you're thinking, oh, I really need a full case, so I don't know how to get there, or hey, I want to start a group practice. I'm not sure what to do. Please reach out. Let us help you. We have lots of different opportunities for practice owners to get involved. And man, it's just so cool to see what God does, like being able to look back and see the hard work that someone put in and see what God does in our practices is pretty amazing.
So, Jacqueline, you're the best. Thank you for coming on the show and choosing to work with us. And I'm excited for this episode where we're going to talk about that juggle of starting and growing a root practice while also being a mom and balancing it all.
Today on the Y's Practice Podcast, I've got my friend Jacqueline Bales with me. She is a solo practice owner of Cypress Roots Counseling, And Palestine, Texas. She's been in practice for a year and plans to begin a group practice in 2025. Bringing professional counseling to the underserved is the mission of her heart.
Thanks for coming on the podcast, girl. Thank you, Whitney. I know, I got real excited. Starting a group practice in 2025, what? It is really exciting, shocking, but exciting. Yeah. Wonderful. Wonderful. All right. Why don't you share just a little bit about you, about your family, anything you want to share about your practice and then we'll jump into the life consultant call.
[00:05:41] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah. So I've been a counselor for about two years. The Lord led me to go solo about a year ago and it's. Um, kind of been at lightning speed. A lot of that has been due to wise practice membership, really given rockets to my skates in my practice. And then hopefully we'll have the same speed with, you know, going into a group practice live in East Texas, originally from Louisiana, been married for 20 years, have three girls.
Lots going on. Rockets to your skates.
[00:06:16] Whitney Owens: That was a wonderful analogy.
[00:06:20] Jaclyn Bailes: How old are your girls? They are 17, 15, and 10. Wow. So what grade are they in? Senior, sophomore, fifth grade. Mm hmm. Busy, busy.
[00:06:34] Whitney Owens: Very
[00:06:36] Jaclyn Bailes: busy.
[00:06:37] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Yeah. All right. And so what is your question today?
[00:06:41] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah, so my question is as a mom and as a business owner, how do you efficiently manage work life balance?
And the reason I ask is because in business, what I found is we come up with systems to make it run more efficiently whenever we have like bottlenecks. We solve that problem and then move on. And, you know, in personal life, which affects your professional life, it's not this system, it's not that easy fix.
Not, not that in business it's easy, but I feel as though it's a little bit more black and white. How do you maintain that work life balance when at times your personal life. Is influencing more or requires more of you.
[00:07:36] Whitney Owens: Thank you for this question today because I did tell you for sure. You're not alone and the balance will always be there and it will change over time, but especially, you know, for you, as we're talking about, we're in a group practice.
They're gonna be seasons where 1 thing needs a little more loving than the other, you know, and so this is 1 of your seasons for your business, needing a little more of your attention. Um, but all that to say is, I used to say, I need to find the perfect balance. And I put this. Pressure on myself and I never got there and I was frustrated when I let go of that, it got a lot better.
It's like I'm putting, you know, hey, here's this like perfect little life that I have to create, put in a little box and it'll be great. And that just doesn't exist, right? You never get this right. And I think letting that go makes it so much easier. Now there's some tips that we can talk about, but I think that's a really great way to start now with your faith being what it is.
God is involved in all these things.
[00:08:45] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah.
[00:08:46] Whitney Owens: And I think so important that we're going to the word, we're talking to trusted friends, we're in prayer, and we're listening to the Holy spirit because what God is calling one person to do and the way they balance their life is very different than what he's calling another person to do.
And so God can give us, Or usually gives us more than we can shoot and then the Holy Spirit allows us to do the work. Yeah, and so we got to be really careful in that place. Is this God calling me to do something and I need to, like, step back and let the Holy Spirit do this work or is this me? Just trying to do something out of my flesh because when we do it out of our flesh, that's when we get into the difficulties even more.
So. Yeah, we're going to kind of talk about tips and stuff. I think going back to those core components is really important. Like I was just telling a client the other day when we do something that we love that we really feel called to, it brings us energy and we don't feel exhausted. And it actually makes me a better mom.
So I feel like when my business is running well, I'm a better mom. And when I'm enjoying my kids more, I'm a better business center. They like beat each other. So if there's a component that I feel like God is leading me into, and I'm like, Oh, I just don't have time and energy for that, I'm missing out on something that actually might give me more energy because God's giving it to me.
To do right. Okay, great. Yeah. We're on the same page with that. That made sense to you. Okay. Absolutely. All right. So sounded, but what I kind of heard from you right there is. The business is flowing pretty well. It's you're having a hard time with the personal part and how much how to balance the personal side of life.
Right? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. I think the 1st part is support. Right, so that could be a spouse. It could be a family member. It could be a friend. It could be things at the kids school. It could be a coach. Whatever it is, we take on too much and we think that our kids need us all the time.
[00:10:54] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah,
[00:10:55] Whitney Owens: now we, you know, this and working with their clients, some of that is our own ride that we think is better than everyone else.
Yeah, I think it's important that you see that. Like, okay, here's a, here's a simple example. If my husband's going to do the laundry, I know he's not going to fold it the way I want it folded period. My clothes are going to be wrinkled. But I can do it myself, right? Finding those things that you could give up so that someone else can do them, so things can run more efficiently.
[00:11:25] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah,
[00:11:28] Whitney Owens: it's okay. If you have to hire people. Yeah. Right. When we got married, my husband had never had a mate before I grew up with mates. So, yeah. And even when I started my practice, I was cleaning the office myself. Right? Yeah. And boy, that got exhausting. I'm done with this. So I hired someone to come clean.
Yeah, that very person. I don't think I've told you this Jacqueline. That very person ended up cleaning my house after that. Was the 1st person ever hired to clean my house and then she ended up starting to work for me at the practice taking calls and now she's my office manager. Wow. Well, I do it. Yeah.
So I think hiring people to help out if that's cleaning your house. Yeah, that's. Dry cleaning. I know someone who has a nanny who runs a group practice and that nanny also makes dinner. Oh. Yeah, I could use that for someone to cook. That's right. That's right. And people will say, oh, I don't have the money for that and that kind of thing to me.
It's about what is your sanity level? Yeah, your happiness and if me giving up, you know, 500 dollars a month allows me to not to have a little bit more time at work and not be so stressed about picking up my child after school. And I'm going to do that, you know, because we need to stop thinking about what's best for us necessarily, but what's best for our children, right?
Like, sometimes we think, oh, I have to pick my kid up. Well, actually, they would probably be okay. If someone else did. It's just that we put the pressure on ourselves as parents.
[00:13:10] Jaclyn Bailes: For sure. For sure. I do really believe what you were saying. And I was telling a client that this week, cause she said, well, you know, the Lord doesn't give us more than we can handle.
And I'm like, Oh, that's a lie. He absolutely gives us more than we can handle, but he provides support, you know, for us to lean on him. But when do you, when can you discern, okay, like. The Lord's like carrying me through this season because I've taken on so much, or I'm seeing too many clients or like what, whatever it is, like where you feel maybe you're stepping outside of what God has for you.
And he's still providing for you still giving you provision, but you, you kind of know, like him, I'm, I'm getting close to the edge.
[00:13:59] Whitney Owens: I think that's such a hard question and I'm kind of contemplating it for a second. I think there are things. That we can say with certainty, I mean, I can feel pretty certain that God's asked me to do something.
You just know it. Right? Okay. And those things are important to write in your journal and remember that God said it to you, you know, not audibly. Yeah. Yeah, things that are hard are going to be hard. Like, God calls us to do hard things. Greater than he wants to do through it. Yeah. I also think listening to other people and what they notice, other people that love you and love Jesus and can speak into your life.
So I just was talking to another practice center and I could like sense the exhaustion coming off of her. Right. Yeah. I'm in the Holy spirit. She is too. And we got done with our call and said, I just got to point out one more thing. I said, this is what I'm seeing. And she was like, yes. I'm like, okay, I think that's God's kindness speaking to you.
Yes. I'm like reflecting here with you and that we need to pay attention to that.
[00:15:12] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah.
[00:15:13] Whitney Owens: Yeah. So she's going to work on, you know, what are the things God's asked me to do? What are the things I could cut out? Yeah. But I think that if it's something, I think you can also kind of go back to some tried and true things.
Like, is this something that edifies the kingdom? Is this something that I'm doing for myself or for others? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not that we can't do something for ourselves, but, you know, it's pride in the way here.
[00:15:38] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. I hired a cleaning lady a long, long time ago and that was 1 of the best things that I ever, ever did.
So, I recommend that to all my. Clients who are overwhelmed mothers, they're like, I need to start coming to therapy. And I'm like, well, let's, you probably need a cleaning lady first, because that's going to be the gift that keeps giving, but still come to therapy. That'll be really great. But yeah.
[00:16:02] Whitney Owens: Is there anything specific that you're thinking about in your own life?
Like when, when you're thinking that you're like, Oh, this is really overwhelming to me, or this. Kind of sucks the life out of me at home.
[00:16:14] Jaclyn Bailes: I don't know if it's necessarily something at home, but I know that I don't have a lot of time at home and that sucks the life out of me because I enjoy being at home.
I enjoy doing those things and, but being, you know, being a counselor and being. Especially in an area where there's high demand, I can always work more and can add in clients here and there, but it's been a struggle for me to say, no, you know, I'm cutting it off at this many clients because. My family needs more of me, but that doesn't stop my phone from ringing, which is 1 of the reasons why I'm going to start a great practice.
But I feel as though I'll, I'll always have this tension of. I can always work more, but my family, so.
[00:17:05] Whitney Owens: And then, thank you that context really helps. I can relate to that experience of what you're sharing. And when you have your admin, which hopefully you're going to hire soon, that's going to actually really help with this.
Cause I remember being in solo practice and I'm just feeling like I constantly had to respond to people after hours
[00:17:21] Jaclyn Bailes: because
[00:17:22] Whitney Owens: I didn't have hours during the work day. So now you're going to have someone else doing that and you're going to be able to breathe when you go home. Yeah. Cause you don't have to call back anybody that's called during the day because they've already been responded to.
So that's going to be great.
[00:17:35] Jaclyn Bailes: And I don't normally, well, sometimes that, you know, every couple of weeks, I'd like to have one day off, one day off a week that I just do the things, but I would be really happy if that whole day I didn't have to respond to clients. So that's definitely something that I'm looking forward to.
And the reason why I'm hiring an admin and why I haven't even like blinked at the cost of an admin, because I know it's going to benefit me so much.
[00:18:03] Whitney Owens: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Okay. So I would start thinking about what hours you want to be at home And really set those strongly. Okay. Remember, just like with your business, everything we do in life does not have to be forever, right?
Figuring out your balance as you grow as a person, as a mother, your kids are in different phases, your practices in different phases. So things will change over time. Yeah. But I also used to be really rigid in this idea of, Oh, well, this is the Sabbath. So I can't work this day or I'm not supposed to work these hours.
So I'm not going to, well, the truth is. I became resentful about everything when I did that. Yeah. I have allowed work and personal life to intermingle now and instead of being so rigid about it and it makes me happier. Yeah. I know that people would probably hate that because they're like, no, I need that structure.
And if you need that structure, embrace that structure. But like, for example, I found Sunday mornings To be one of my best moments to work. This is because I can sleep in a little bit and I run numbers for my practice on Sunday morning. So that's looking at how many clients did everyone see? Are we getting the calls we need blah blah blah.
And because it's a it's a time where I can really focus. I don't have any distractions. It's limited because I don't have to leave my house till 9 45 to go to church. So it's like I got this time the kids are pretty occupied in the mornings. So for me that works. And it makes Monday an easier day where I don't feel so rushed and I am happier and more productive and enjoy my work more.
But when my kids were younger, working from home was awful because they distracted me all the time. And then I was frustrated they couldn't complete a task. So I have to be really careful about what tasks and when I do them. And now they're getting where it's a little easier. But at the same time, Jacqueline, I have a special needs kid.
Autistic little eight year old. She's my world.
[00:20:05] Jingle: Yeah. And
[00:20:06] Whitney Owens: she needs a lot of services. Right. So the good thing is I leave work in the middle of the day to go home, to go all the way out to where she goes to school. So I can pick her up and take her to her services. This is great. I can do that as a business owner,
[00:20:23] Jingle: right?
That
[00:20:24] Whitney Owens: means an hour of my workday is gone to do that. Right? And that's okay. I, I replace it somewhere else and sometimes I'm replacing that when I mentioned as long as my family's doing well, then that's okay. Like, and so I think it's, it's finding that balance that works for you. Yeah. In that way. We're like, I get all my stuff done by 3 o'clock because I got to go home and be there when my kid comes home from school, my other one, you know, and so.
Finding that for you and being okay with working from home, if it's what you need to do, if you're taking them out in the middle of the day, I used to get mad that I couldn't get everything done. And once I was like, oh, well, I actually am only in the office for 20 hours and I own 2 businesses. What am I thinking?
No wonder. Yeah, well, what is that kind of bringing up? What are you thinking about? Is this helpful?
[00:21:14] Jaclyn Bailes: Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, when I first became a counselor, I was like, you know what? Because I'm still an associate. I'm almost done with my hours, but I was like, you know what? I'm just going to do whatever I have to do to get my hours so I can get done.
You know, I'm going to see clients whenever and very quickly realized how bitter it might be to see clients in the evenings. And so then I stopped seeing clients in the evenings and I know that's like the Lord's kindness. And so then I was like, you know what? I'll just see clients on Saturdays. And then now, like I feel that same like angst and bitterness when I see clients on Saturdays.
So I'm fixing to cut both of, or I'm fixing to cut Saturdays out. So I'm really excited. But I, if I were to say that I'm not like, Fearful about it, that would be a lie because it's a, it'll be a change and I won't be able to serve some clients when that's their availability. But I just know that it makes me a better counselor.
It makes me a better mom, better wife when I see clients when it's better for me. So, but it's difficult to be selfish in that way for myself. You know, to be selfish about I can't, you know, I know that'd be best for you, but that's not best for me.
[00:22:28] Whitney Owens: Yeah.
[00:22:29] Jaclyn Bailes: So
[00:22:30] Whitney Owens: it makes me think about how people don't want to raise their rates.
Because they think it's selfish, but if you don't do that, then you're going to be exhausted with all the clients you're seeing. So you're actually going to serve your clients better. Yeah. When you make more money, right? And same way you're exhausted because you're working so much and working Saturdays, missing out on time with your family.
Yes. It makes sense that you would want to cut that out. And remember, there are other people. That that works well for them, they want, you know, and I've got a therapist that works Saturdays and he's got two girls. They are high schoolers and he works for them and he's like, I want to come in on Saturdays.
I only have my girls every other week and they're self sufficient and, you know, I want to be here because they're sleeping anyway or whatever they're doing. And so absolutely. Yeah. So it's kind of your phase of life and everything. And so you might likely hire a therapist that wants to work Saturdays and it's exciting to see clients
[00:23:28] Jaclyn Bailes: and that's something that you can do.
Absolutely, because they may not want to see clients in the mornings and where I'm like, everyone come see me in the morning. This is my best time. But that's that is 1 thing that I'm really excited about to hire someone who's like minded, but has other skills that I do not, you know, and can compliment, you know, my practice where, you know, there are some holes, I guess.
Yeah.
[00:23:55] Whitney Owens: Yeah, I can't emphasize enough the importance of a supportive spouse. If you are married, you know that. Oh, yeah, I am.
[00:24:02] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah.
[00:24:03] Whitney Owens: Yeah. I meant just people listening. I knew you.
[00:24:05] Jaclyn Bailes: Oh, yeah, he's he's the absolute he's the absolute best. Yeah. I wish everybody had one of him. Yeah,
[00:24:13] Whitney Owens: and so it really is a teamwork thing.
Like, oh, absolutely. I would never be wearing him without my husband. Same. Same. Yeah, so does this bring up any other
[00:24:25] Jaclyn Bailes: questions or do you feel like we kind of tackle it? I don't think so. I think it really, I am raising my rates for my current clients and for I've already put them in practice for new clients and that was something I was really worried about, but that has not slowed down.
My conversion rates, people are still scheduling. I haven't heard a negative word. The only negative words that I've heard about it or once I've told myself and each day as it goes on, it's a little bit easier. And I know that that will help me to feel less stressed in the future of. I don't have to work so much to bring home what.
I want to bring home. That's great. Yeah.
[00:25:06] Whitney Owens: Well, Jacqueline, as we come to a close here, could you share a little bit about the last practice membership community and why you're a part of it?
[00:25:15] Jaclyn Bailes: Yeah. So I heard about the wise practice community. I think I heard you on some podcasts and just kind of started following along and began listening to your podcast before I joined the membership.
And there are so many podcasts out there about counseling and therapy and private practice. And I mean, just dozens. However, your podcast, Always comes back to the word, like always comes back to God and how he's leading us and how we need to be obedient. And so that was a really big factor into me doing the mastermind with you last year, and then also continuing to be in the wise practice membership.
There's just community of people who were like minded and, you know, like, we have the weekly meetings and it may not always be something that I am dealing with or that I have a concern about, but I never go to a meeting and not learn something. It's always beneficial because I hear from someone else of something that they're going through, and it's just, it's always beneficial.
I've never felt that it wasn't. Worth my time or worth the effort or worth the money. It's a, it's a amazing return of investment into your business. Yeah. Thank you for that. Yeah. Because the cost is usually less than a client session for all that you get out of it. Absolutely. And it's, it's just, it's really invaluable.
The community, you, the people that you bring on, the resources that you have in there. Yeah. Unbeatable.
[00:27:02] Whitney Owens: Well, thank you. Well, thank you for sharing that. And I, you know, I'm like getting teared up. I just, I love the community and love seeing people grow through it and connect through it. And so I really appreciate you sharing about that and being a part of it.
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for having me. All right. I'm excited to see where you go from here and looking forward to further conversations. All right. Thanks, Whitney.
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